Old EPG STILL Here.

[themonk]

Not a problem, mrtickle as I did a backup of previous WL's in Tivoweb before installing AltEPG, just need to restore the backup.

[Pete77]

How does going back from AltEPG to the old EPG cope with Wishlists? I had to delete all the actors WL's as they were in the wrong format; Joe Bloggs for the AltEPG and Bloggs,Joe for the old EPG.

You would have to enter the actor wishlists again and set up your Season Passes again. Title and Keyword Wishlists would be preserved.

Looks like too much work to go back, but be interresting to see how long the old EPG stays up for.

As the old Tivo/Tribune EPG remains better than the AltEPG in terms of length of data (up to 21 days) and detail of data (OADs and/or year of production in the EPG description plus star ratings for films) I see no reason to migrate my main networked Tivo to the AltEPG until such time as the Tivo/Tribune EPG becomes unavailable. If indeed that does ever happen and the previous messages about EPG witrhdrawal on June 1st were not simply a cynical sales ploy on behalf of Virgin Media.

[ByTheCringe]

As the old Tivo/Tribune EPG remains better than the AltEPG in terms of length of data (up to 21 days) and detail of data (OADs and/or year of production in the EPG description plus star ratings for films) I see no reason to migrate my main networked Tivo to the AltEPG until such time as the Tivo/Tribune EPG becomes unavailable. If indeed that does ever happen and the previous messages about EPG witrhdrawal on June 1st were not simply a cynical sales ploy on behalf of Virgin Media.

Verr-ee interesting! It raises the question "Who is paying for the Tribune data?" I would not wish to negate the efforts put in by the AltEPG team, but must admit I would love to keep the OADs in the Tribune data. If it is going to disappear eventually, does anyone know what it would cost to stay with Tribune? If it was split up between us, how much each? Even, possibly, for the sake of simplicity, to take over the old phone number and modem arrangements? I suppose this was all looked at...

[Pete77]

Verr-ee interesting! It raises the question "Who is paying for the Tribune data?"

Tivo paid up to June 1st and/or presumably still pay Tribune after June 1st even though they have a new and growing revenue stream from Virgin Media to help offset these EPG purchase costs. The point is Virgin Media need a UK EPG feed to be sent from Tribune to Tivo in order to support their own S4/Premiere Virgin Tivos.

I would not wish to negate the efforts put in by the AltEPG team, but must admit I would love to keep the OADs in the Tribune data. If it is going to disappear eventually, does anyone know what it would cost to stay with Tribune? If it was split up between us, how much each? Even, possibly, for the sake of simplicity, to take over the old phone number and modem arrangements? I suppose this was all looked at...

From discussions we have seen elsewhere one suspects Tribune would want £20k to £50k per annum to go on supplying a data feed but almost certainly would not be willing to supply it to a non commercially established entity like the AltEPG. The legal bills alone to agree on a contract would be very large.

To support 0808 dialup for all the units who want it you are looking at probably at least £30 per user who uses the 0808 number (i.e. just under 10p per day per Tivo).

But anyhow the Tribune data could not get in to the format that our Tivos need without being reprocessed by Tivo in to the required format. So the real question is why wasn't £10 per month enough to persuade Tivo to go on supplying the existing S1 service. Answer because they had signed a contract with Virgin Media that prevented them from delivering the service to non Virgin customers in the UK after a certain date in 2011.

Loss of OADs and film star ratings is only a relatively minor concern. Of more concern to me is the loss of 21 days data on many of the channels as previously I could look at my ToDo list and remove all the rubbish before going away on holiday for a couple of weeks etc. Also annoying is losing one's whole thumbed data history from the last eight and a half years. But if we are to have a service at all on a volunteer provided free of charge basis then realistically there is no other workable option to the one that the AltEPG is pursuing, although there may possible be other XML format data feeds available out there that could supply some of the missing data like OADs or an EPG of more than one week ahead.

[spitfires]

although there may possible be other XML format data feeds available out there that could supply some of the missing data like OADs or an EPG of more than one week ahead.

Rather than just whinging about it all the time why don't you just search around the internet yourself and find one? I'm sure the AltEPG team would be very grateful to you if you could find a reliable epg source that lists 21 days' data and has OADs.

Why do you always expect other people to do all the work for you? Perhaps you think you are an "ideas man" and that other (more menial) people should actually DO the work?

You claim you have lots of time and want to help out... so what's stopping you? You know what is required and where to look...

[ByTheCringe]

Verr-ee interesting! It raises the question "Who is paying for the Tribune data?"

Tivo paid up to June 1st and/or presumably still pay Tribune after June 1st even though they have a new and growing revenue stream from Virgin Media to help offset these EPG purchase costs. The point is Virgin Media need a UK EPG feed to be sent from Tribune to Tivo in order to support their own S4/Premiere Virgin Tivos.

I would not wish to negate the efforts put in by the AltEPG team, but must admit I would love to keep the OADs in the Tribune data. If it is going to disappear eventually, does anyone know what it would cost to stay with Tribune? If it was split up between us, how much each? Even, possibly, for the sake of simplicity, to take over the old phone number and modem arrangements? I suppose this was all looked at...

From discussions we have seen elsewhere one suspects Tribune would want £20k to £50k per annum to go on supplying a data feed but almost certainly would not be willing to supply it to a non commercially established entity like the AltEPG. The legal bills alone to agree on a contract would be very large.

To support 0808 dialup for all the units who want it you are looking at probably at least £30 per user who uses the 0808 number (i.e. just under 10p per day per Tivo).

But anyhow the Tribune data could not get in to the format that our Tivos need without being reprocessed by Tivo in to the required format. So the real question is why wasn't £10 per month enough to persuade Tivo to go on supplying the existing S1 service. Answer because they had signed a contract with Virgin Media that prevented them from delivering the service to non Virgin customers in the UK after a certain date in 2011.

Loss of OADs and film star ratings is only a relatively minor concern. Of more concern to me is the loss of 21 days data on many of the channels as previously I could look at my ToDo list and remove all the rubbish before going away on holiday for a couple of weeks etc. Also annoying is losing one's whole thumbed data history from the last eight and a half years. But if we are to have a service at all on a volunteer provided free of charge basis then realistically there is no other workable option to the one that the AltEPG is pursuing, although there may possible be other XML format data feeds available out there that could supply some of the missing data like OADs or an EPG of more than one week ahead.

Thanks for the information. I found that useful, so ignore the personal insults fired at you!

[spitfires]

Thanks for the information. I found that useful, so ignore the personal insults fired at you!

It wasn't an insult, it was a legitimate statement on what he does. He is quick to complain and tell 'everyone' what should be done but he never actually does it himself.

[healeydave]

D-Day

[bri_tal]

D-Day

??? Are you saying it shuts off tonight Dave or was this just a cryptic comment ?

[Furbag]

Mmmmm does appear that way, just tried both mums and my machines (we are located in different parts of the country and both are getting "number not answered"

Looks like thats it

Furbag

[healeydave]

Yep, that's all folk's............

[daveddecks]

my networked tivo just completed a "daily call" via the internet ok, and now has data thru to Sun 3rd July,
complete with actual programmes through to the end of that day on at least "dave"!!

[pkr]

my networked tivo just completed a "daily call" via the internet ok, and now has data thru to Sun 3rd July,
complete with actual programmes through to the end of that day on at least "dave"!!

Same for me. My call was 06:57 this morning and I have BBC 1 data through to Friday 24th June and some of the 25th ( although when that data came through I don't know ).

[philg]

my networked tivo just completed a "daily call" via the internet ok, and now has data thru to Sun 3rd July,
complete with actual programmes through to the end of that day on at least "dave"!!

Seems to make sense

My last "call" was on Sunday, and I have guide data only to July 1

So I wonder if it's only the phone lines that they've cancelled?

[Pete77]

My dial up Tivo was not answered on a regular daily call at 11.56pm last night and also fails to connect on a manually forced daily call today.

My networked Cachecarded Tivo is still being answered and having its clock set etc by Tivo's systems. It remains to be seen if any new daily data will become available to it when it makes its next networked daily call at 8pm this evening.

Yep, that's all folk's............

I thought you implied earlier that official Tivo service would continue until around Bastille Day. It seems like poor taste to cut us off on the 13th of the month.