Old EPG STILL Here.

[philg]

Clearly those who get their EPG through network card download will be only too well aware that so far nothing has changed.

Indeed - my EPG now goes to July 6th after tonights "call"

[Pete77]

Sounds like Pete77 and I were at school in the same eras - and I certainly had punctuation drummed into me from a VERY early age

It sounds to me like you are quite a lot older than me or perhaps you went to school up North (the North generally seems to run about 10 to 15 years behind the rest of England as witness my brother in law who is the same age as me but went to school in Leeds and some how never ended up being trained to swim). I'm 48 but I reckon you must be at least 55 for punctuation to have still been such a fetish at your school. Around 50% of the population under 30 can't even vaguely spell properly these days thanks to text speech. I do use full stops. I do paragraph things regularly and I spell pretty accurately. I'm not very good with the use of commas or semi colons but the main issue is actually the length of my sentences rather than a lack of proficiency with punctuation per se. Regarding my comments about the left handed kids they were perhaps unjustified but in my experience an obsession with perfect punctuation largely disappeared from schools at about the same time as schools stopped trying to make left handed kids right handed or school them in copperplate writing.

Let me take a wild guess and assume that you are probably thoroughly methodical about timekeeping for meetings etc and generally pretty observant of speed limits. I'm neither of those things. These are different personality types. Its all part of the process of a combination of genetic inheritance and the environmental factors in which a person is brought up that govern the different types of people we all become.

The bottom line is that you actually quite deliberately and proactively started this dispute by making an exceptionally nitpicking point by trying to claim that people who collect Tivo data by network card might be confused in to thinking something had changed as a result of my post commenting on Tivo's withdrawal of its 0808 dialup Freephone number. But nobody else seemed to find this post confusing at all apart from you with your clear fetish for perfect punctuation.

[Tcm2007]

I think most of us are just used to your writing style of concatenating several sentences together without using any additional punctuation to aid comprehension. I find I frequently need to re-read your paragraphs to get any sense from them. (Purely from an English perspective that is - some of your posts make no sense however many times you read them from a content point of view.)

As you say you are 48 - sufficient time has elapsed since primary school to have learned punctuation by now. I also find it unlikely that the well-known public school you attended did not take a traditional line on grammar and punctuation. Or did you do lessons in Latin, which has no punctation to speak of?

I recommend "Please Mind the Stop" as essential reading if you genuinely don't know how to use colons, semi-colons, hyphens and commas. And "How to Make Friends and Influence People" for learning no to piss people off all the time.

BTW, if you think modern primary schools don't teach punctuation, then I will leap Pete-like to the conclusion that you don't have kids. Mine know all about subordinate clauses and the correct use of the colon.

[Pete77]

I also find it unlikely that the well-known public school you attended did not take a traditional line on grammar and punctuation.

As I said before I got a grade A in English Language "O" level with the demanding Oxford & Cambridge "O" level board. Odd then that this should be the case if my writing ability is as dire as you claim. I don't recall anyone ever raising my ability to punctuate as an issue throughout my school and university career. Legibility of handwriting or the lack of it was always the major people issue that teachers usually had.

Or did you do lessons in Latin, which has no punctation to speak of?

I both studied Latin for six largely futile years that I could have been learning Spanish for instead (had my school taught it which it didn't) and was never taught English punctuation in the rigid manner that you seem to set so much store in. Despite all these apparent failings I got a grade A and two Bs at A Level and a Grade 1 Distinction at S level in three social science A level subjects where writing was normally to the forefront.

BTW, if you think modern primary schools don't teach punctuation, then I will leap Pete-like to the conclusion that you don't have kids.

That only goes to show how uncannily accurate Pete like methods of deduction can often prove to be.

[mrtickle]

school in Leeds and some how never ended up being trained to swim). I'm 48 but I reckon you must be at least 55 for punctuation to have still been such a fetish at your school.

Oh, I thought you were 77!

[mike233]

As I was running out of program data and hadn't managed to get a successful dial up connection connection to the AltEPG number since the first setup call, I cleared my EPG data this morning and tried to restore my Tribune data via the 020 dialup number.

The connection was made, the clock was synchronised, my TiVo's status restored to Lifetime Subscription but no program data was available for download. I have tried this several times without managing to download any EPG data.

Any constructive advice appreciated. It occurs to me that the old EPG may still be accessible but has had all of it's data removed.

My understanding of your first sentence is that you successfully connected to AltEPG at least once. If so and you were able to subsequently access other TiVo menus to clear the EPG data, that implies that you had completed a guided setup from AltEPG. (Otherwise your TiVo would be stuck trying to complete it). If you then wish to revert to the TiVo server, perhaps you need to do another Guided Setup from it? (Using your proper postcode!)
Certainly EPG data was available from the official TiVo source when my networked machine made its daily call around 0845 this morning.

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You're right on both counts. A first call in the 'early days' to AltEPG was successful but all subsequent daily calls had failed. Because of this I had very few days programme data left and so decided to give the 020 number a try.

And, of course, I had omitted to restore my proper postcode! This done properly, I managed a successful setup call.

Thanks for your help.

[18MM]

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You're right on both counts. A first call in the 'early days' to AltEPG was successful but all subsequent daily calls had failed. Because of this I had very few days programme data left and so decided to give the 020 number a try.

And, of course, I had omitted to restore my proper postcode! This done properly, I managed a successful setup call.

Thanks for your help.

Does this mean 020 number is still working, contrary to earlier posts?

[Tcm2007]

I both studied Latin for six largely futile years that I could have been learning Spanish for instead (had my school taught it which it didn't)

A classic Pete-ism there!

and was never taught English punctuation in the rigid manner that you seem to set so much store in.

I have no particular views on how punctuation should be taught, so long as you end up having learned it.

I note that your most recent posts have had much shorter sentences; if you don't feel able to create compound sentences properly, this is very sensible. Keep it up.

[IBP]

the North generally seems to run about 10 to 15 years behind the rest of England

Pardon?

[Velocitysurfer]

Just forced a daily call about an hour ago via network ...

Had the new mail icon, and I thought here we go.... but it was a line up change about channel 642 (on Sky)!!!

[worm]

the North generally seems to run about 10 to 15 years behind the rest of England

Pardon?

Quite. You may want to rephrase that.

[mikerr]

the North generally seems to run about 10 to 15 years behind the rest of England

Pardon?

Lol - I heard they even have electricity and running water up North these days

[mike233]

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You're right on both counts. A first call in the 'early days' to AltEPG was successful but all subsequent daily calls had failed. Because of this I had very few days programme data left and so decided to give the 020 number a try.

And, of course, I had omitted to restore my proper postcode! This done properly, I managed a successful setup call.

Thanks for your help.

Does this mean 020 number is still working, contrary to earlier posts?

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Seems so. I forced a daily call at 12:29am and it completed successfully.

[Tcm2007]

the North generally seems to run about 10 to 15 years behind the rest of England

Pardon?

In some ways he has a point, thank heavens. I went to a school which would have been abolished in the 60s by cutting edge educationalists if it had been on the soft South. It was, in the 80s.

[Pete77]

In some ways he has a point, thank heavens. I went to a school which would have been abolished in the 60s by cutting edge educationalists if it had been on the soft South. It was, in the 80s.

Whereas I went to a private primary school in the south called a PNEU from age four to eight in the trendy late 1960s that seemed to have dangerously modernist views on things like formal grammar and neat handwriting not being important but it simply being important to express yourself. They probably have a lot to answer for................

And now some 40 years after I left that school I have finally discovered that PNEU stands for Parents National Education Union and that the concept was founded by Charlotte Mason back in the latter part of the 19th century. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Mason

I believe my first form teacher at this school noted that I always liked to do things in my own way and at my own pace rather than be told how to do them or when to have them done but that I was always successful in reaching my goals in the end in my own particular way. In personality I am also incredibly like my maternal grandfather who like me also lost most of his hair by his early 30s. Our genetic inheritance usually accounts for a great deal of who we are even though the environment which we are brought up and educated in also makes a significant contribution.

I note that your most recent posts have had much shorter sentences; if you don't feel able to create compound sentences properly, this is very sensible. Keep it up.

For someone brought up in the north you are quite good at playing the role of an intellectually smug and self satisfied southern snob.