Old EPG STILL Here.

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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby Mike Sugar » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:51 am

ByTheCringe wrote:
Pete77 wrote:
ByTheCringe wrote:Experts, please... Is TiVo clever enough to know that it already has the latest EPG data? Does it check, realise that it doesn't need to go the download stage, and give a Failed. Number not answering message? Because when I tried, the call seemed to be answered, and connected, before giving that failed message.


No if there was no new data to collect you would still get a Setting Clock and Succeeded message when the daily call completed. You only get the Failed message because the Tivo isn't managing to get through to Tivo's servers at all.

If you are with various cheap phone providers it might be worth trying putting 1280 in front of the 020 or 0845 number as that would force the call to be routed via BT's network and they probably have less flakey lines with less heavily voip based strangulation of the modem signal that may be causing the call to fail. On the other hand if you are a TalkTalk or Virgin Media phone customer you won't be able to use the 1280 prefix as their phone solution does not use BT Wholesale phone line equipment.

Thanks, Pete. I don't think the call is failing in that sense, I suspect everything will work fine on Monday. I was just trying to think how Mike got a successful download today.

I'm on Pipex, which is Talk Talk now - what isn't! But my phone line is rented by Pipex from BT, and BT fix any faults, so I should be able to use that 1280 prefix? If so, would using it affect whether calling a particular number would be free in an anytime package by any chance? Don't know what Pipex do, but if it was sent through BT, I'm pretty sure their package would treat the 0207 number as free. Or is it charged before it gets routed - probably.


I attempted to make a connection throughout yesterday by progressively using the (5) different listed Tivo numbers. I first started, and then finished, with 0207. When I gave up at approx. 15:00, the next computerised attempt was listed as sometime today. I left 0207 in as the default. I was then suprised to find in the evening that a dial-up/download was in progress - completely non-initiated by myself.

Where I have free anytime calls with BT, I too have found this morning, by looking at my account, that I have been charged for (3) 0207 calls made from Thursday thro' to Friday (48 hours behind) - 29p, .43p and .36p. No doubt all my failed calls made yesterday will also be charged.

Thus, I have to consider whether it would be a cheaper option to disable the daily dail-up in favour of just one attempted weekly update until such time Tivo disconnects the 0207 line - or should I now dedicate myself using the altepg option.
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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby The maverick » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:52 am

Yes mines just downloaedd the data and is p[rocessing it - o the joy - I'll be able to set up TORCHWOOD for 9th July - yeahh!

Using the 0845 no.
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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby ByTheCringe » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:01 am

Tivosteve wrote:Official tivo number is back working again :D Just got data up to 9th july

So much for d day its back on day :D

Er, like, WOW!! What made you think of trying, or had you not changed?

Well, that solves all the questions about calls included in anytime packages.

Can't wait to see what Pete thinks this means!
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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby ByTheCringe » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:08 am

ByTheCringe wrote:
Tivosteve wrote:Official tivo number is back working again :D Just got data up to 9th july

So much for d day its back on day :D

Er, like, WOW!! What made you think of trying, or had you not changed?

Well, that solves all the questions about calls included in anytime packages.

Can't wait to see what Pete thinks this means!


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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby Furbag » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:15 am

Just grabbed another pile of data from the 020 number 8)

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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby Pete77 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:21 am

ByTheCringe wrote:Can't wait to see what Pete thinks this means!


This is an old established ISP number so is on all the lists to exclude from call packages.

Hopefully that won't be true of the new Exa Networks 01 numbers. Has anyone been charged for calling the 01274 number at times of day that they though were part of their bundled call minutes?
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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby ByTheCringe » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:27 am

Pete77 wrote:
ByTheCringe wrote:Can't wait to see what Pete thinks this means!


This is an old established ISP number so is on all the lists to exclude from call packages.

Hopefully that won't be true of the new Exa Networks 01 numbers. Has anyone been charged for calling the 01274 number at times of day that they though were part of their bundled call minutes?

I meant, what does it mean if the 0808 number is up again. Does it represent some decision by TiVo, Inc or VM to let the original service continue? Or is some Sunday worker tinkering...

But I tried two test calls to 0808 and they failed.
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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby Pete77 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:32 am

ByTheCringe wrote:I meant, what does it mean if the 0808 number is up again. Does it represent some decision by TiVo, Inc or VM to let the original service continue? Or is some Sunday worker tinkering...

But I tried two test calls to 0808 and they failed.


Curiouser and curiouser. I hadn't realised that was what the previous post meant.

It looks like there are different modems configured differently and only some of them have had their configuration altered to not accept Tivo S1 calls. It is entirely possible that the 0808 number hits precisely the same modem equipment as both the 020 and the 0845 number.
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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby ByTheCringe » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:42 am

Think I'll stay with 0207 for now.
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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby Mike Sugar » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:43 am

Pete77 wrote:
ByTheCringe wrote:I meant, what does it mean if the 0808 number is up again. Does it represent some decision by TiVo, Inc or VM to let the original service continue? Or is some Sunday worker tinkering...

But I tried two test calls to 0808 and they failed.


Curiouser and curiouser. I hadn't realised that was what the previous post meant.

It looks like there are different modems configured differently and only some of them have had their configuration altered to not accept Tivo S1 calls. It is entirely possible that the 0808 number hits precisely the same modem equipment as both the 020 and the 0845 number.


Have just had a successful connection/download on 0845 0885...... Have BBC... up until 7July.

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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby ByTheCringe » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:49 am

Gosh, this is fun, isn't it, chaps? We have the AltEPG camp dialling up and networking, and now no less than 3 different phone routes to the old EPG. :)
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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby Pete77 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:54 am

ByTheCringe wrote:Gosh, this fun, isn't it, chaps? We have the AltEPG camp dialling up and networking, and now no less than 3 different phone routes to the old EPG. :)


Old EPG or AltEPG the problem is the same for dialup Tivo users. Phone numbers that are unreliable about working.....
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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby Furbag » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:30 am

Tivosteve wrote:Official tivo number is back working again :D Just got data up to 9th july

So much for d day its back on day :D



mmmmm just took out the 020 prefix and all I'm getting is number not answered :?

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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby Mike Sugar » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:35 pm

IBP wrote:Mike, have you noticed that everyone else posts their replys after the post they are quoting. It's difficult to follow what is your bit and what others have said if you top post.



My apologies.

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Re: Old EPG STILL Here.

Postby 18MM » Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:45 pm

pm Sunday 19 June
Successful calls to 020.... and 0845 0885336. 1 more week of BBC to 1 July inclusive.
Test call to standard TiVo number - no answer.
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