spitfires wrote:Tcm2007 wrote:Which is why I think processing that data in the description so that it put the episode in a separate Series would be the way to go - no TiVo end mods required, and the default would be no flappy hands. If you wanted/didn't care you could add a separate SP for the signed version.
I agree - I've been annoyed on more than occasion to find that tivo has recorded the flappy hands version despite a later non-flappy version being available!
I've never properly been able to satisfy myself with a rational solution to this one. TiVo's core function of having Duplicate episodes using the 28-day rule, is really powerful and is what allows it to resolve clashes so well.
This is how I see it: say I have a SPs/WLs for programmes A and B and I've got A above B in the SP manager. A and B are both peak time and they clash. But B has another showing that doesn't clash with anything else, but it's in the middle of the night and it's signed. What do you want the SP to do?
(a) record it - the current behaviour. Having it as a Duplicate Episode allows this to happen. People who didn't have a clash with the first showing only get ONE recording. People are so annoyed by the flappy hands version they'd rather miss it entirely than watch the FHV are upset (assume there are only the two showings for the purposes of argument).
(b) record it - a possible new behaviour. Change the Episode so that it's not a duplicate! Indicate it's signed in the synopsis or title or the bits - doesn't matter how, any change makes it a different Episode. NB: It doesn't have to be a different series. But now, people who didn't have a clash with the first showing get BOTH the first recording and the FHV, and it could also make them miss something else as well! So they're upset.
(c) miss it - another possible new behaviour. You missed it because the signed version was in a different/orphan SP, C, which you didn't spot/don't know about/etc. More work for the poor people slaving away doing the data too. People who used to rely on (a) and don't mind the FHV are now upset.
(c) is actually already used where there are two distinct version of the same programme (Dr Who Confidential has short and long versions) but share episode titles.
With (a), the only people who are upset are the people who get an extra recording they don't like.
Perhaps you could have a kludge in scenario (a) and insert "[signed version at <datetime>]" or a similar predetermined text into the synopsis, appearing for both showings as they are the same Episode, and then use tivoweb/scripts to act on that to remove unwanted showings. This might be the best compromise and it can also be done at any time in the future.
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WRT Bits - Tivoweb lists: "CC Stereo Sub {In Prog} Class SAP Blackout Intercast {Three D} R Letterbox S V L D FV"
"Sub" is used for subtitled foreign language films with "burnt-in" subtitles on the broadcast.
"CC" means closed captioned *and* uk teletext subtitles effectively, so is the correct thing that tribune used for UK teletext subtitles, which by the way will still work from Sky digiboxes well after analogue switchoff. However it's rarely in the UK guide data as there's no point - people expect subtitles on virtually every programme and there's no benefit in putting it in listings.
"Letterbox" was used on widescreen movies in the analogue age. I sometimes saw this used, but really, what's the point now (!).
