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[Alek]

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”


Alek

[Orddu]

Coo, where's that quote from?

[Pete77]

Coo, where's that quote from?

Theodore Roosevelt apparently. A well known user of the Tivo.

See www.memorable-quotes.com/theodore+roosevelt,a589.html

[Orddu]

Had he been able to, I'm sure he would have been

[krayzeekev]

TCM2007 seems to have taken a unilateral decision that it will in his view be much easier for us to all to have to recreate all our Season Passes and imposed this view on his fellow AltEPG project members even though TCM2007 of course no longer uses a Tivo himself.

I'm not sure you guys appreciate the enormity of what you are asking. You're starting off with an empty database on the server end. What you're asking the AltEPG guys to do is EVERY time a new series comes along (and by "new" I mean new to the AltEPG), they have to find a TiVo somewhere that has once had this series loaded into it from your old data, use TiVoWeb to search for that series, find the TMSID and load it into the server database. You got a few hundred employees up your sleeve?

For reference, the Australian database currently has built up 37202 series. Who is going to sit and work out the mappings for 37K entries? The guys trying to make this work are pulling off a small miracle in the time they have up their sleeves.

[rupertbear]

Neither the internal Tivo RF analogue program source or dual tuner program source options (also using the RF input for the secondary source) are currently supported by the AltEPG project sadly.

The Internal tuner is not supported on the basis that all RF broadcasts on Channels 21 to 69 will have been switched off by April 2012.

Whilst I can understand why the decision has been made, this is disastrous for me. We won't get a Freeview service here until 21st September.

After all these years of resistance I'll have to get one of those wretched dishes. And it will cost significantly compared to a Freeview box!

Am I the only one?

[irrelevant]

B&Q are (at least locally) selling off complete SD Freesat kits (dish, LNB, cable, receiver, etc) for £25 ... I've no idea if the box will work with the tivo, but I'd think you could hang a 2nd hand (ask on freegle/freecycle) Sky box off it instead.

[healeydave]

B&Q are (at least locally) selling off complete SD Freesat kits (dish, LNB, cable, receiver, etc) for £25 ... I've no idea if the box will work with the tivo, but I'd think you could hang a 2nd hand (ask on freegle/freecycle) Sky box off it instead.

Wow, that's a good offer!

We support FreeSat, so if the box is not already catered for in the existing IR Database, it would only be a case of capturing the remote codes and adding them in.

[bri_tal]

The B & Q deal is general, across the country. The box and dish are of ROSS manufacture (Chinese I believe). Still, for £25, it's worth the risk I think.

[pengbo]

Whilst I can understand why the decision has been made, this is disastrous for me. We won't get a Freeview service here until 21st September.

why September the 21st for Freeview? Is this when digital switchover occurs in your area?

[krayzeekev]

Probably true. Do we have the format of the Season Pass table/list etc... ?

Isn't there a TiVoWeb module that will export them? The problem is that every id in that export will have to be changed to the id's in the new server AND every series (and there's a corresponding program record) mentioned in them will have to be loaded into the tivo in question. Which means you'll need a whole lot of fake data in the server or you'll have to create all those series in the MFS and make sure versions are suitable to match to the server, etc.

[Automan]

Details of the Ross units on sale at B&Q can be found at http://www.ross.co.uk/ including firmware updates.

Automan.

[rupertbear]

Whilst I can understand why the decision has been made, this is disastrous for me. We won't get a Freeview service here until 21st September.

why September the 21st for Freeview? Is this when digital switchover occurs in your area?

http://www.freeview.co.uk/availability/main/display/coverage/st13+5ny/NA/0

[rupertbear]

B&Q are (at least locally) selling off complete SD Freesat kits (dish, LNB, cable, receiver, etc) for £25 ... I've no idea if the box will work with the tivo, but I'd think you could hang a 2nd hand (ask on freegle/freecycle) Sky box off it instead.

Thanks for that, it's certainly worth a try at that price.

However, I won't bore you with details but the nature of the house and siting of the TiVo/TV will make a dish installation a fairly longwinded job. One I had hoped to avoid.

[gcobb]

TCM2007 seems to have taken a unilateral decision that it will in his view be much easier for us to all to have to recreate all our Season Passes and imposed this view on his fellow AltEPG project members even though TCM2007 of course no longer uses a Tivo himself.

That is neither fair nor correct. First, TCM2007 has not been involved in the detailed work but his help, encouragement, experience and recollection of issues has been very useful to the team. Secondly, TCM2007 did not create any of the code involved in this situation -- it is a result of using the OzTivo code, which never had preserving SPs as a goal and which is too hard to modify to achieve that goal. Thirdly it is not TCM2007's fault that we have been unable to preserve SPs -- if it is anyone's fault it is mine -- I had a go but it was too hard and far too risky. Unfortunately, we are better off allowing the Tivo to delete all the IDs it was previously using and not reusing them (because bad things happen if we somehow end up giving two objects the same ID).

TCM2007 and I did disagree over whether it was worth preserving SPs but that has had nothing to do with the current situation. Whether he was right or not that it was not even desirable, he was certainly right that it was too hard to do.

I still have a vague idea that I might take my backed up SPs and try to create a script which will watch for the programs to appear in the database and automatically create a new SP for them. However, this is a longer term project -- at the moment I am trying to help get the service just working as well as we can. So, if you have a lot of SPs I recommend taking a backup in case we ever find a way to do anything useful with it. But you cannot restore it with the new data.